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Smile Here are some interesting results of neuroimaging of children with autism along with other pervasive developmental disorders. We need to use everything we can to help these children. If you are interested, you might take a look at the url below. Have a nice weekend.
Best, Rolleyes
Rob

url: http://www.neurodiversity.com/neuroimaging.html
Hi Rob,
Thanks for introducing this into the discussion, as I have a particular interest in Autism and Autistic Spectrum Disorders.
Within the articles, the crucial revelation, is importantly that the causation is a result of Underconnectivity, as opposed to a Localised Brain Region problem!
Essentially a White Matter problem, rather then Grey Matter.
Where the cabling that interconnects the brain regions is the problem.
Further to this, whilst we are born with our Grey Matter, our White Matter cabling/Network, is in a constant state of development, removal and redevelopment.
Whilst development of the cabling is crucial, equally the removal of redundant cabling is required. Otherwise the Network becomes inefficient.
The consequence of this, being the loss of access to the brain as a Cognitive Network. With a transfer to 'thinking' as an insular activity 'within' particular brain regions.
Though Autism and Autistic Spectrum is also associated with 'Giftedness'.
Where the lack of Cognitive Network access, enables a far more specialised development of specific brain regions.
Which throughout history has been a major contributor to Scientific development. Where this weeks anniversary of Einstein is a typical example.
Who was suspected as having Autistic Spectrum Disorder. Along with Dyscalculia, given that he had to get his former Maths teacher to do all of the Maths for his Relativity Theory.
As we enter an Age of Genetic Manipulation. Where what are considered as Learning Disabilities may be 'got rid of'?
Is this really a concern about Disabilities, or perhaps just a concern about the inconvenience of Difference?
Though in relation to Autism, another study identified that a chronic state of inflammation exists within the both the brain and body of Autistic people.
As a result of an Auto-Immune dysfunction.
Crucially inflammation within the brain, causes a major disruption of the brain's White Matter development and pruning. Where perhaps I might mention that I've been reviewing research and carrying out an informal study of the use of Omega3 'long chain fatty acids' derived from fish oils. To overcome this chronic state of brain and cns inflammation. As a remediation.
The crucial issue that is being defined within Learning Difficulties. Is that is less often a Brain Region problem and more likely the result of an inadequately developed Brain Network.

Geoff.





















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Smile Geoff, I also have a great interest as you do, in autism and pervasive development disorders. I agree with you regarding the nexus or "what have you" with gifted. I have an autistic granddaughter who has been in early intervention for many many years now. She is eight. The school district insisted that she MUST also be listed along with her autism as Mentally Retarded. This was their contribution. The goal that all of us have for her at this point is that she be able to be independent after her care givers pass away; her parents and grandparents (us) are her care giver at this time. She will reach this goal. So far the school district has thought it best to at least on paper, label her Mentally Retarded. Being a former superintendent of schools for twenty years, I know that this is just a cop out for not providing high motivation and sufficient expectations. Her main schooling comes from private sources and home. It is also my opinion that schools should not be in the business of dx children with very severe disorders since, they are simply not trained to the extent they would even like to be......My criticism is not of the teachers because they work themselves to death trying to help, but the system places decisions on school districts that they are untrained to make. The are not unwilling; just untrained for these severe kids...and not very supported by the powers to be. I have the greatest respect for teachers. They are altruistic as a profession comes. Their own complaint to me is that they really don't know what to do to help. I find that parents and parental organization are the best place for parents and teachers to work along with specialists in the medical field with parent's money, foundation money and money from the state and federal government that are in grant form paid directly to the special education class.
I am sitting at my granddaughter's [age 8] computer right now while we are with them in Oregon. We are giving the parents relief and they are going camping alone for a week. My granddaughter is making outstanding progress with her intense intervention. She is happpy and well. She is loved and she knows it. My wife, her grammy is on the couch with her and they are reading together. Cool
Best,
Rob
Smile Ladders program does good work.

URL: http://www.ladders.org/

Rolleyes
Best,
Rob
Rolleyes This last decade of the brain really was terrific for non invasive type scans. The brain is no more a black box....and we can see inside without waiting until someone passes on. The (f)MRI and the PET non invasive look into the brain; high lights the functions of various organs and blood flow etc. The cost of this non invasive technology is extreme, but worth every penny. Surgery can now be done with an eye on the problem(s) without having to operate without the previews of the situation ahead.

The non invasive scans are being used with children with PDD, but I have not heard a great deal of the results.
One PDD called Rett syndrome and Fragile X needs to be known more by the public. Both URLs retrieved 8-5-05 from the internet.
Best,
Rob Rolleyes ```URL: http://www.bundlings.com/irsg.htm
URL: http://www.fragilex.org/html/home.shtml
:o I have included a url retrieved August 13, 2003 from the internet Brain.

Some of you may enjoy this url. We have no answers.

URL: http://brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/cont.../128/1/201
URL: http://www.aha-as-pdd.org/re_surv.htm
Best,
Rob Cool
Has anyone here heard of Temple Grandin? She is an autistic writer of two books: Emergence Labeled Autistic and Thinking in Pictures. She has some interesting things to say about what it is like to be autistic. What has been written in this forum about white matter and the need to prune it makes a lot of sense as she wrote about what it feels like to be autistic. Perhaps this interuption of the white matter processes causes the sensory integration problems in autism, as well as other autistic characteristics. Cathy
Hi Cathy, Smile

Interesting comments regarding white matter etc. I have no idea what causes Autism or other PDD disorders. I do believe that some children will have autism or PDD because of either/or a combination of genetics, dysfunction (neural) or other. I just don't know. I have read Temple Grandin's books. She is something special. My granddaughter has autism and we began early intervention with her at about age 2.5 or 3.0. She is eight years old now. Our expectations [trying] are to have her fully independent as a person so that she can live alone as an adult if she chooses to do so. We are all concerned that when her immediate family and grandparents pass on that she be able to function the very best as she possibly can. She is pretty much on target to accomplish these objectives.
Be well,
Rob Rolleyes
Hi Rob and everyone else in this forum,

Last night was the first time in a few months that I have been able to log in. I am thrilled with the willingness to share personal experiences living with an autistic child that you, Rob, have given us. I hope that you won't mind some questions that I have about autism. Do you think that there is a connection between vaccinations and autism? Do you think that the term autism is too broad to adequately describe the various needs of the autistic population? What I wonder is if it might be helpful to break up this disorder into several more precise categories so that we can pinpoint with more accuracy how to help this population. I wonder if your granddaughter is more like Temple Graudin then the general autistic population? Could you discribe with some more detail what you have found that works in the classroom and what doesn't? Thanks, Cathy
Cathy Trinh Wrote:Hi Rob and everyone else in this forum,

Last night was the first time in a few months that I have been able to log in. I am thrilled with the willingness to share personal experiences living with an autistic child that you, Rob, have given us. I hope that you won't mind some questions that I have about autism. Do you think that there is a connection between vaccinations and autism? Do you think that the term autism is too broad to adequately describe the various needs of the autistic population? What I wonder is if it might be helpful to break up this disorder into several more precise categories so that we can pinpoint with more accuracy how to help this population. I wonder if your granddaughter is more like Temple Graudin then the general autistic population? Could you discribe with some more detail what you have found that works in the classroom and what doesn't? Thanks, Cathy


Smile Hi Cathy et al.,
I am proud to talk about my grandchildren. They are very dear to us. My granddaughter (V) age eight has an autistic disorder. I say that because she is most certainly someone very special and she has a disorder called autism. I said that specifically in that manner since she represents more than saying my granddaugher is autistic. It is subtle, but it gets things in perspective very quickly. Not quite sure where to start but I will refer to your questions which is good starting point for me to try and address.

I do believe that there is a connection between some children's immune system and other intestinal anatomy of certain children who are sensitive or tremendously allergic to the thimerosal (form of mercury) found in many vaccines. I believe you were refering most likely to the MMR vaccine. There has been a high correlation between the vaccine and severe/mild Autism/PDD-nos. However there is no proven causal effect that the MMR vacinne causes these severe disorders. I do feel however and the whole family feels that there was not a causal or even a significant correlation between the MMR vaccine and our granddaughter. But yes, like a bee sting or peanut butter can cause death in certain individuals so can children be highly sensitive to the vaccinations.

I am glad to see the removal of thimerosal from some vaccines...and would like to see more.
I do want to make it very clear that the drug industry has been very good to our world and saved millions of children with their hard work. Vaccines have saved many many lives. I spent a year heading the International School of Lusaka in Zambia, Africa and saw first hand the work of the vaccines administered to help save the lives of our school children. [I was on a years sabbatical with the office of overseas schools].

The autistic disorder and PDD-nos can be so severe to the child and to the family that you want to find out what happened and how we can help fix it or in this case how do we make it much better or ameliorate these terrible things going on with my granddaughter and with so very many children.

Autism in my opinion is caused by many different things none of which I know for sure. There are many many different forms of autism as I had in my schools. Their actions and demeanors were the same in some manner and in other ways they were not the same. Many children with autism do not look at you when they speak or if they speak. I have a friend who is an adult now that does not speak, but was diagnosed on the autism spectrum. She is very bright and can do most anything else but speak. The range is wide and deep but I believe the researchers know that. Many physicians were blind sided due to the severity of the disorder(s). Many worked themselves into exhaustion trying to find the answer others were shocked, but it has not yet been found. We are suspicious of certain genetic dispositions and mercury and other chemicals and minerals etc.

My granddaughter is not like anyone else but more like the general population of those children who have an autistic disorder. She does look at us when we talk with her. She has had a great deal of early intervention beginning around age 2.5 and 3.0 and will continue the rest of her life. [...not necesssarily the exact type of interventions]. She like,so very many others suffer from sensory integration dysfunctions and has many private (paid) sessions in her multiple interventions sessions. The sensory intervention therapy is very good for her and is helping quite a bit. She is brushed many time per day and this is very good for her. Her mother is the main provider because she is constantly with her. I will be a little brief now and chat later but her food problems are severe and very upsetting to the entire family at meal time. She lost so much weight at one point, the hopital was going to have to feed her through a tube. It is a creating sibling problems and upset stomachs when we all eat together which is how it done now.

She attends a regular classroom with an aide and will most likely stay back a few years until the education system adapts a little better. This has been hard on teachers at school and those at public and private schools who lack intensive training on managing children with these disorders. Even then, teachers are trying very hard but lack a great deal of support from administration in some cases.

Need to move on now. Be happy to chat again with you. Temple Grandin is amazing, but there are many others who are amazing and caught within this disorder. I am looking carefully at the thalamus since it is a main relay station for the afferent sensory neurons. Also interneurons that might be damaged...but I will tell you this. Most of the time is spent helping ameliorate the challenges she has now with outside private therapy. The researchers are working very hard on solving this puzzle and are far more knowledgeable than I. I can be of best help being a grandparent and helping provide all kinds of support so that professionals can work with her. She is our granddaughter and needs the love and relationship of grandparents.

What works in the classroom? The right teacher is everything. The teacher will set the tone of acceptance and (V) will not feel alienated. She has the same needs disposition as an (NT) child...neurologically typical, plus she has needs that are caused by the autistic disorder. She works well now with other children unless she has a melt down. The teacher is having (V) write short letters to Grammy and replies and mails them back. It seems that she does better with experiential learning which keeps her active and totally involved. She even plays soccer with the boys and girls and everyone is so very patient with her. She learns best with concrete operations. Symbolic can wait for ever as far as I am concerned. She is speaking better every day and loves to tease and play with you. She is learning how to react to getting attention by raising her hand and being part of the group. She is learning to read a little and grammy helps her with this when possible. I will begin teaching her to swim shortly.

Message too long: Limited to 1000 words or less. (continued on following page) Best....Rob Cool
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contined...As far a what she likes to do best in class, I believe that it would be something experiential. She loves to do hands on projects. She doesn't like to have her IQ tested under the strict traditional manner. It embarrasses her and she knows that she is not up to the other kids academically or by having a quick wit because she measures this empirically herself everyday of her life.....but the school insisted on IQ testing her. I mentioned to the school officials that it might cause those that work with her to prejudge her and not be so excited with small progresses. The school refused and tested her anyway. Of course we would have prefered to have Gardner's multiple intelligence testing but they don't do that. The fact is that the school as a public corporation really does not care other than being sure that their tail is covered when audited. Now that she is dealing with autism; she is also labeled with be mentally retarded. You don't need to be a atomic energy scientist to understand and know this by just observations and little talks with her. I hope years from now, the school systems will not be so anachronistic. The schools should not be involved in doing things that they are incapable of doing. They sometimes feel that they can be everything to everyone and we sometimes depend on that. This is for people who a professionals in this area.

Actualy this is not good, but they feel better now that her deficits are thoroughly ensconced in her mind and on record for other teachers to see each subsequent year. I will tell you this however, thank god for the teachers whom were good enough to spend their own money and begin professional development in this area of special needs. As for the math that is taught right from the beginning, it is factually incorrect and those that process the algorisim that they are presented from the curriculum guides state texts are being taught incorrectly and causing early math problems and non adapted neuronal networks...... Art of changing the brain by James Zull [2002] ...[addresses the non adaptive prior learning or as he calls it, incorrect prior learning].

All in all her teachers have been very understanding and good. We do not want anyone to run her down as a viable human being. The teachers are really good at seeing that this does not happen.
Be well,
Rob Rolleyes

P.S. That is called an intense response that was recorded somewhere in my neural system..... Smile

Interesting Website retrieved today August 14, 2005 regarding Autism and PDD etc.
URL: http://members.tripod.com/~transmil/alpall.htm
URL: http://www.templegrandin-autismvideos.com
URL: http:// http://www.childrensdisabi...links.html
URL: http://autism.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsi...Fmain.html
URL: http://www.ladders.org/currentar.php
URL: http://www.autismwebsite.com/
URL: http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr/yourchild/autism.htm
URL: http://www.johnbald.net/goplay/sources.htm
URL: http://autism.about.com/cs/genetics/
URL: http://www.mindinst.org/
URL: http://www.autismweb.com/education.htm URL: http://home.san.rr.com/autismnet/rollcall.html
URL: http://www.rdiconnect.com/


Be well,
Rob Cool
Rolleyes Well, this is a big time lawsuit for special education recipient.
RETRIEVED from the internet August 19, 2995 [Wrightslaw]
URL: http://www.wrightslaw.com/news/05/porter.settlement.htm

Best,
Rob Cool
Rob,
The link below goes to a report on research into Autism and White Matter.
Crucially it identifies excessive growth of white matter/myelin 'within' the 'higher order processing centres'. [Where I wonder whether this excessive growth may also result in myelination of the Dendrites as well?]
Their is also a corresponding 'lack' of myelin growth for Regional Connections of the Brain.
But further to this, is the research that identifies an Immune System disorder, which results in a 'chronic state of inflammation' within the brain. Which causes the Microglia to produce 'Growth Factors', and therefore excessive Myelin growth.
This chronic inflammation is not restricted to the brain of Autistic people, as their Digestive Sytems are also commonly chronically inflamed.
Though I would also mention that for some time now, I have been following research into the use of Omega3, which are long chain fatty acids derived from Fish Oils. Which have been shown to have a relevant anti-inflammatory effect.

Anyway, here's the link to the article I mentioned:
http://www.helpwithautism.com/forums/ind...owtopic=13

I would very much appreciate your considered response to this article.
Geoff.


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Quote from Geoff,
Rob,
The link below goes to a report on research into Autism and White Matter.
Crucially it identifies excessive growth of white matter/myelin 'within' the 'higher order processing centres'. [Where I wonder whether this excessive growth may also result in myelination of the Dendrites as well?]
Their is also a corresponding 'lack' of myelin growth for Regional Connections of the Brain.
But further to this, is the research that identifies an Immune System disorder, which results in a 'chronic state of inflammation' within the brain. Which causes the Microglia to produce 'Growth Factors', and therefore excessive Myelin growth.
This chronic inflammation is not restricted to the brain of Autistic people, as their Digestive Sytems are also commonly chronically inflamed.
Though I would also mention that for some time now, I have been following research into the use of Omega3, which are long chain fatty acids derived from Fish Oils. Which have been shown to have a relevant anti-inflammatory effect.

Anyway, here's the link to the article I mentioned:
http://www.helpwithautism.com/forum...hp?showtopic=13

I would very much appreciate your considered response to this article.
Geoff.

Rolleyes Geoff,
Very interesting article...I ever registered and joined....The article does not sounds extremely interesting to me. I make a hard copy and wonder if any thorough studies have been used with PET or (f)MRI...Sounds in a way like the opposite of MS where the myelin is crack and disappearning...the olio cell [glial] supports the myelin for the axon in the Central Nervous Sysem and the Schwann Cell does a similar deed [also glial] in the PNS. Olio[glial cell] in the central nervous that supplies the neuron's axon with myelin is dies, killed made inactive and can no longer support the myelin functions. Thus the myelin covering on the axon is diappearning....and communications are seriously damaged.
Best to you, I will keep that article......
Rob Cool
[QUOTE=segarama]Quote from Geoff,
Rob,
The link below goes to a report on research into Autism and White Matter.
Crucially it identifies excessive growth of white matter/myelin 'within' the 'higher order processing centres'. [Where I wonder whether this excessive growth may also result in myelination of the Dendrites as well?]
Their is also a corresponding 'lack' of myelin growth for Regional Connections of the Brain.
But further to this, is the research that identifies an Immune System disorder, which results in a 'chronic state of inflammation' within the brain. Which causes the Microglia to produce 'Growth Factors', and therefore excessive Myelin growth.
This chronic inflammation is not restricted to the brain of Autistic people, as their Digestive Sytems are also commonly chronically inflamed.
Though I would also mention that for some time now, I have been following research into the use of Omega3, which are long chain fatty acids derived from Fish Oils. Which have been shown to have a relevant anti-inflammatory effect.

Anyway, here's the link to the article I mentioned:
http://www.helpwithautism.com/forum...hp?showtopic=13

I would very much appreciate your considered response to this article.
Geoff.

Rolleyes Geoff,
Very interesting article...I ever registered and joined....The article does sound extremely interesting to me. I make a hard copy and wonder if any thorough studies have been used with PET or (f)MRI...Sounds in a way like the opposite of MS where the myelin is cracked and disappearning...the Olio cell [glial] supports the myelin for the axon in the Central Nervous Sysem and the Schwann Cell does a similar deed [also glial] in the PNS. Olio[glial cell] in the central nervous that supplies the neuron's axon with myelin dies, killed made inactive by either autoimmune disorder or something else and can no longer support the myelin functions. Thus the myelin covering on the axon is disappearning....and communications are seriously damaged.
Best to you, I will keep that article......
Rob Smile
Smile This is a very good learning URL......retrieved from the internet 8-26-05

URL: http://www.ldonline.org/ld_indepth/gener...gen-1.html

Be well,
Rob Cool
Rolleyes Hi...many are familiar with the Dana Organization...I have retrieved on 8-28-05 from the internet material of the Dana Foundation etc. for your review. I get a periodic newletter from the regarding the brain...special needs children and adults...Quite well done.
URL: http://www.dana.org/braincenter.cfm
Best,
Rob Cool
Smile Still not a great deal on PET or MRI scans with Autism. Retrieved url from the internet 8-30-05.
URL: http://info.med.yale.edu/chldstdy/neuroi...202001.pdf.

Be well,
Rob Rolleyes
Hi Rob,
If you happen to have a subscription to Oxford Journals Online, the Brain journal of neurology has an article from Marcel Just and associates, where you can read the 'full text' on their use of fMRI in investigating Autism and Underconnectivity:
http://intl-brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...127/8/1811

Geoff. Smile
geodob Wrote:Hi Rob,
If you happen to have a subscription to Oxford Journals Online, the Brain journal of neurology has an article from Marcel Just and associates, where you can read the 'full text' on their use of fMRI in investigating Autism and Underconnectivity:
http://intl-brain.oxfordjournals.org/cgi...127/8/1811

Geoff. Smile


Smile Thanks Geoff, I printed the url and continue hoping for more answers..thanks again.
Best,
Rob Rolleyes
Smile Discussions are being held about the new era of nonintrusive scanning the brain. I retrieved this URL on September 1, 2005.
It is very interesting in our direction but since we have so much yet to see, it looks promising technology speaking.
URL: http://www.hhmi.org/senses/e110.html
URL: http://www.hhmi.org/senses/e210.html
Best,
Rob Cool
Smile The Howard Hughes Medical Center has some really interesting news on degenerative disease and PDD. URLS retrieved from the internet on September 10, 2005
Best,Rolleyes
Rob

URL: http://www.hhmi.org/news/zoghbi6.html
URL: http://www.hhmi.org/senses/e110.html
URL: http://www.hhmi.org/senses/e210.html
URL: http://www.hhmi.org/senses/f110.html
Smile Fragile x syndrome is more common in the realm of special needs that most people realize. I retrieved this URL September 12, 2005 from the internet and is most interesting.
URL: http://www.fragilex.org/html/home.shtml
URL: http://www.fragilex.org/html/autism_and_...ndrome.htm
Be well,
RobSmile
Smile URL retrieved from internet September 14, 2005....

URL: http://content.impactengine.com/ieViewer.php?tid=24353

Recommended by my granddaughter.....(turn on computer speakers.....)
Best,
RobSmile
Hi Smile Synapses in the brain and body are really important. As a matter of fact they are suspiciously connected to communications disorders and with great scruitiny, we can see how this occurs. [Disclaimer] What I am about to say has no proven causal effect for autism or pervasive developmental disorders.

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A Synapse In The Brain Is Really Important.Since the neuron theory evinces that each neuron be separated by each and every other neuron by a synapse or space between each neuron, we must question the degree of communication deficits that can happen and do happen to adults and children right at the area surrounding the synapse. One of the very earliest synaptic disease is called myasthenia gravis (where nerves stimulate nerve plates).

I aways thought that Parkinson's disease was due to so many dopaminergic nerves that died in the substantia nigra...well actually I am right but Parkinson's is also being referred to as a synaptic disease. Rapport, M.D., R. Nerve Endings: The discovery of the synapse: The quest to find how brain cells communicate [2005] Pg. 199.

...and now that we think clearly about the synapse and that is present throughout the body...it is truly remarkable that we have so few communication disorders. But that is not true either, we have many communcation disorders labeled under a myriad of other diseases. The synapse is very special and will need to be studied in greater depth.
Be well,
RobSmile
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